Well, I'd be interested in seeing more info on this! I don't want a pendant, but I want to add this functionality to my mill without having to run a pile of wires. Right now I have implemented the MPG and rotary switches for it. Big problem is the touch screen controls for jog, stop, etc, require looking at the screen, and of course, any time I'm doing these actions I need to be watching the workpiece, not the screen. I attached a photo of my current control panel. Michael Rosenfield
| Group: DynoMotion |
Message: 6854 |
From: himykabibble |
Date: 3/2/2013 |
| Subject: Re: The KFlop Pendant From Heck.... |
Dave,
Like I said, I bought an off-the-shelf pendant made for Mach3, opened it up, swapped out the USB cable for a long RS232 cable, made a few simple wiring changes, wrote my own firmware for the MCU in the pendant, and wrote my own driver (DSP code) for KFlop.
Regards,
Ray L.
--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Dave - Gmail <dabeardsley@...> wrote:
>
> I'd love to have this kind of setup on my machine, but wouldn't have the first clue how to get it running.
>
> Do you have any photos of yours up and running?
>
> Was this a unit that you already had / modified... Or built from scratch?
>
> I've been watching similar stuff on eBay for the last few months, but it's all for MACH3. I'd have already purchased one if I was able to make it run with our gear.
>
> Dave
>
> On Mar 2, 2013, at 11:38 AM, "himykabibble" <jagboy1964@...> wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > I haven't, technically, ever written firmware "for a living" but I've done electronics design, chip design, mechanical design, firmware, software, etc. all my career. The initial pendant firmware was a one-day effort. The KFlop code took probably another day.
> >
> > I don't plan to market it, but, if there's enough interest to justify the effort, I'd be happy to post the code (both PIC firmware and KFlop "driver"), and instructions on how to modify the pendant - it's all pretty straight-forward. Some of the functionality requires minor modification to the KMotion "PCComm" function, to add a few capabilities (Program Stop, Rewind, etc.).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ray L.
> >
> > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Dave - Gmail wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow Ray that's pretty darn impressive!!
> > >
> > > Do you write firmware for your day job?? Want to?? :)
> > >
> > > Very very cool. Any chance you are planning to market this?
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Mar 2, 2013, at 9:15 AM, "himykabibble" wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm just about done with a major update to my pendant, after adding an LCD display. My pendant started out life as a Vista CNC P2, which I've modified to use RS232 to communicate directly with the KFlop. I wrote all new firmware for it, plus the KFlop "driver". I just added an 8-character by 2-line LCD display, which enabled me to add even more functionality (the previous functionality being limited by my ability to remember where all the functions actually were). The pendant has a hard-wired, locking E-Stop button, two 6-position rotary switches, and a single momentary pushbutton on the side. It also has a high-quality 100 count/rev MPG, which is directly connected to both the embedded PIC18 MCU and the KFlop, so both can "read" the MPG (though the firmware does not currently make use of this ability).
> > > >
> > > > The firmware I implemented uses one rotary switch as a mode select, the other as an axis or function select (depending on the current mode switch position) and the momentary push-button, I call it the "Action" button, understands a number of "gestures":
> > > >
> > > > Release
> > > > Click and Hold
> > > > Double-click
> > > > Double-click and Hold
> > > >
> > > > This allowed me to implement all of the below functionality, with on-LCD prompts to show what functions are available within each mode/function switch setting:
> > > >
> > > > Step/Vel Jog Mode:
> > > > Axis rotary switch selects any axis, X-Z, A-C
> > > > Click and Hold does "velocity" jog
> > > > Double-Click and Hold does step jog in 0.001" increments
> > > >
> > > > Continuous Jog Mode:
> > > > Axis rotary switch selects any axis, X-Z, A-C
> > > > Double-Click resets continuous job speed to default (15%)
> > > > Click and Hold does continuous speed jog
> > > > Double-Click and Hold sets continuous jog speed
> > > >
> > > > Program Run Mode:
> > > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
> > > > Double-Click performs the followings functions when selected:
> > > > Program Run
> > > > Program Pause (FeedHold)
> > > > Program Stop (Abort)
> > > > Program Step (Single Block)
> > > > Program Rewind
> > > > Tool Length Comp On/Off
> > > >
> > > > Spindle/Coolant Control Mode:
> > > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
> > > > Double-Click performs the following functions when selected:
> > > > Spindle CW Off
> > > > Spindle CCW Off
> > > > Mist Coolant Off
> > > > Flood Coolant Off
> > > > Double-Click and Hold performs the following functions when selected:
> > > > Spindle CW On
> > > > Spindle CCW On
> > > > Mist Coolant On
> > > > Flood Coolant On
> > > > Click and Hold along with MPG performs the following functions:
> > > > SSO
> > > > FRO
> > > >
> > > > Home/Probe Mode:
> > > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
> > > > Double-Click performs the following functions when selected:
> > > > Probe X+
> > > > Probe Y+
> > > > Probe A+
> > > > Home X
> > > > Home Y
> > > > Home Z
> > > > Double-Click and Hold performs the following functions when selected:
> > > > Probe X-
> > > > Probe Y-
> > > > Probe Z-
> > > > Home A
> > > > Home B
> > > > Home C
> > > >
> > > > PDB/ATC Mode:
> > > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
> > > > Double-Click performs the following functions when selected:
> > > > PDB Grab TTS Tool
> > > > PDB Grab R8 Tool
> > > > ATC Raise Carousel
> > > > ATC Pivot To Park
> > > > ATC Return To Park And Raise Carousel
> > > > ATC Reset
> > > > Double-Click and hold performs the following functions when selected:
> > > > PDB Release TTS Tool
> > > > PDB Release R8 Tool
> > > > ATC Lower Carousel
> > > > ATC Pivot To Quill
> > > > ATC Move To Quill And Lower Carousel
> > > > ATC Home Carousel
> > > >
> > > > Much of this functionality has been in the pendant since I first built it last spring, and it has performed flawlessly for all that time. It's become really indispensible for operating the machine - I rarely need to use the on-screen controls when setting up and running jobs. Having the LCD on the pendant has allowed me add a number of new functions (like the ATC controls), and will finally make the pendant easier to operate, as I no longer have to remember which function is where - the LCD will show me! My next pendant will have a larger display!
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Ray L.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> |
|
| Group: DynoMotion |
Message: 6855 |
From: himykabibble |
Date: 3/2/2013 |
| Subject: Re: The KFlop Pendant From Heck.... |
Michael,
Sounds like you'd just want the KFlop "driver" as a starting point you can modify to implement your own functionality with all the switches wired directly to the KFlop, instead of the other end of an RS232 cable?
Regards,
Ray L.
--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rosenfield <mrosenfield@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I'd be interested in seeing more info on this! I don't want a pendant, but I want to add this functionality to my mill without having to run a pile of wires.Right now I have implemented the MPG and rotary switches for it. Big problem is the touch screen controls for jog, stop, etc, require looking at the screen, and of course, any time I'm doing these actions I need to be watching the workpiece, not the screen. I attached a photo of my current control panel. Michael Rosenfield
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> From: dabeardsley@...
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:14:03 -0800
> Subject: Re: [DynoMotion] Re: The KFlop Pendant From Heck....
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> I'd love to have this kind of setup on my machine, but wouldn't have the first clue how to get it running.
> Do you have any photos of yours up and running?
> Was this a unit that you already had / modified... Or built from scratch?
> I've been watching similar stuff on eBay for the last few months, but it's all for MACH3. I'd have already purchased one if I was able to make it run with our gear.
> Dave
> On Mar 2, 2013, at 11:38 AM, "himykabibble" <jagboy1964@...> wrote:
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>
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>
> I don't plan to market it, but, if there's enough interest to justify the effort, I'd be happy to post the code (both PIC firmware and KFlop "driver"), and instructions on how to modify the pendant - it's all pretty straight-forward. Some of the functionality requires minor modification to the KMotion "PCComm" function, to add a few capabilities (Program Stop, Rewind, etc.).
>
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> Regards,
>
> Ray L.
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>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Dave - Gmail wrote:
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> >
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> > Wow Ray that's pretty darn impressive!!
>
> >
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> > Do you write firmware for your day job?? Want to?? :)
>
> >
>
> > Very very cool. Any chance you are planning to market this?
>
> >
>
> > Dave
>
> >
>
> > On Mar 2, 2013, at 9:15 AM, "himykabibble" wrote:
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> >
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> > > I'm just about done with a major update to my pendant, after adding an LCD display. My pendant started out life as a Vista CNC P2, which I've modified to use RS232 to communicate directly with the KFlop. I wrote all new firmware for it, plus the KFlop "driver". I just added an 8-character by 2-line LCD display, which enabled me to add even more functionality (the previous functionality being limited by my ability to remember where all the functions actually were). The pendant has a hard-wired, locking E-Stop button, two 6-position rotary switches, and a single momentary pushbutton on the side. It also has a high-quality 100 count/rev MPG, which is directly connected to both the embedded PIC18 MCU and the KFlop, so both can "read" the MPG (though the firmware does not currently make use of this ability).
>
> > >
>
> > > The firmware I implemented uses one rotary switch as a mode select, the other as an axis or function select (depending on the current mode switch position) and the momentary push-button, I call it the "Action" button, understands a number of "gestures":
>
> > >
>
> > > Release
>
> > > Click and Hold
>
> > > Double-click
>
> > > Double-click and Hold
>
> > >
>
> > > This allowed me to implement all of the below functionality, with on-LCD prompts to show what functions are available within each mode/function switch setting:
>
> > >
>
> > > Step/Vel Jog Mode:
>
> > > Axis rotary switch selects any axis, X-Z, A-C
>
> > > Click and Hold does "velocity" jog
>
> > > Double-Click and Hold does step jog in 0.001" increments
>
> > >
>
> > > Continuous Jog Mode:
>
> > > Axis rotary switch selects any axis, X-Z, A-C
>
> > > Double-Click resets continuous job speed to default (15%)
>
> > > Click and Hold does continuous speed jog
>
> > > Double-Click and Hold sets continuous jog speed
>
> > >
>
> > > Program Run Mode:
>
> > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
>
> > > Double-Click performs the followings functions when selected:
>
> > > Program Run
>
> > > Program Pause (FeedHold)
>
> > > Program Stop (Abort)
>
> > > Program Step (Single Block)
>
> > > Program Rewind
>
> > > Tool Length Comp On/Off
>
> > >
>
> > > Spindle/Coolant Control Mode:
>
> > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
>
> > > Double-Click performs the following functions when selected:
>
> > > Spindle CW Off
>
> > > Spindle CCW Off
>
> > > Mist Coolant Off
>
> > > Flood Coolant Off
>
> > > Double-Click and Hold performs the following functions when selected:
>
> > > Spindle CW On
>
> > > Spindle CCW On
>
> > > Mist Coolant On
>
> > > Flood Coolant On
>
> > > Click and Hold along with MPG performs the following functions:
>
> > > SSO
>
> > > FRO
>
> > >
>
> > > Home/Probe Mode:
>
> > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
>
> > > Double-Click performs the following functions when selected:
>
> > > Probe X+
>
> > > Probe Y+
>
> > > Probe A+
>
> > > Home X
>
> > > Home Y
>
> > > Home Z
>
> > > Double-Click and Hold performs the following functions when selected:
>
> > > Probe X-
>
> > > Probe Y-
>
> > > Probe Z-
>
> > > Home A
>
> > > Home B
>
> > > Home C
>
> > >
>
> > > PDB/ATC Mode:
>
> > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
>
> > > Double-Click performs the following functions when selected:
>
> > > PDB Grab TTS Tool
>
> > > PDB Grab R8 Tool
>
> > > ATC Raise Carousel
>
> > > ATC Pivot To Park
>
> > > ATC Return To Park And Raise Carousel
>
> > > ATC Reset
>
> > > Double-Click and hold performs the following functions when selected:
>
> > > PDB Release TTS Tool
>
> > > PDB Release R8 Tool
>
> > > ATC Lower Carousel
>
> > > ATC Pivot To Quill
>
> > > ATC Move To Quill And Lower Carousel
>
> > > ATC Home Carousel
>
> > >
>
> > > Much of this functionality has been in the pendant since I first built it last spring, and it has performed flawlessly for all that time. It's become really indispensible for operating the machine - I rarely need to use the on-screen controls when setting up and running jobs. Having the LCD on the pendant has allowed me add a number of new functions (like the ATC controls), and will finally make the pendant easier to operate, as I no longer have to remember which function is where - the LCD will show me! My next pendant will have a larger display!
>
> > >
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ray L.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> >
> |
|
| Group: DynoMotion |
Message: 6856 |
From: Michael Rosenfield |
Date: 3/2/2013 |
| Subject: Re: The KFlop Pendant From Heck.... |
Ray, Well, I was looking for a good way to implement jog controls and feedhold without running more wires, as the conduit to my control head is pretty full. It sort of bugged me to have to run something like 25 wires to control things that were changing very slowly. Of course, one has to balance building mill components with just getting by so I can use the mill. Besides, I haven't done a PIC project this year! ;) Michael
| Group: DynoMotion |
Message: 6857 |
From: himykabibble |
Date: 3/2/2013 |
| Subject: Re: The KFlop Pendant From Heck.... |
Michael,
I understand exactly how you feel. I have the same problem - my KFlop is just about maxed out on I/Os. That's why I built a simple, custom serial "network" using RS232 and cheap Arduino boards, to let me put microcontrollers where I have control functions to be performed, and they then send serial messages to the KFlop to tell it what's going on. I have controllers for spindle/coolant, one for the PDB/ATC, one for the pendant, one for the control panel, etc. The Arduinos can be connected in both star and ring configurations, with one acting as a hub, because there is just the one serial port on the KFlop. That, along with the custom KFlop BOB a friend just built, will really reduce the amount of wiring on my machines. I'll be implementing the whole system on my new machine as soon as it shows up - hopefully in the next 7-10 days.
Regards,
Ray L.
--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rosenfield <mrosenfield@...> wrote:
>
> Ray,Well, I was looking for a good way to implement jog controls and feedhold without running more wires, as the conduit to my control head is pretty full.It sort of bugged me to have to run something like 25 wires to control things that were changing very slowly. Of course, one has to balance building mill components with just getting by so I can use the mill. Besides, I haven't done a PIC project this year! ;)
> Michael To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> From: jagboy1964@...
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 23:35:37 +0000
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: The KFlop Pendant From Heck....
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> Sounds like you'd just want the KFlop "driver" as a starting point you can modify to implement your own functionality with all the switches wired directly to the KFlop, instead of the other end of an RS232 cable?
>
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> Regards,
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> Ray L.
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> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rosenfield wrote:
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> >
>
> > Well, I'd be interested in seeing more info on this! I don't want a pendant, but I want to add this functionality to my mill without having to run a pile of wires.Right now I have implemented the MPG and rotary switches for it. Big problem is the touch screen controls for jog, stop, etc, require looking at the screen, and of course, any time I'm doing these actions I need to be watching the workpiece, not the screen. I attached a photo of my current control panel. Michael Rosenfield
>
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
>
> > From: dabeardsley@
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> > Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:14:03 -0800
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> > Subject: Re: [DynoMotion] Re: The KFlop Pendant From Heck....
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>
> > Was this a unit that you already had / modified... Or built from scratch?
>
> > I've been watching similar stuff on eBay for the last few months, but it's all for MACH3. I'd have already purchased one if I was able to make it run with our gear.
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> > I don't plan to market it, but, if there's enough interest to justify the effort, I'd be happy to post the code (both PIC firmware and KFlop "driver"), and instructions on how to modify the pendant - it's all pretty straight-forward. Some of the functionality requires minor modification to the KMotion "PCComm" function, to add a few capabilities (Program Stop, Rewind, etc.).
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> > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Dave - Gmail wrote:
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> > > Wow Ray that's pretty darn impressive!!
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> > > Do you write firmware for your day job?? Want to?? :)
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> > > > I'm just about done with a major update to my pendant, after adding an LCD display. My pendant started out life as a Vista CNC P2, which I've modified to use RS232 to communicate directly with the KFlop. I wrote all new firmware for it, plus the KFlop "driver". I just added an 8-character by 2-line LCD display, which enabled me to add even more functionality (the previous functionality being limited by my ability to remember where all the functions actually were). The pendant has a hard-wired, locking E-Stop button, two 6-position rotary switches, and a single momentary pushbutton on the side. It also has a high-quality 100 count/rev MPG, which is directly connected to both the embedded PIC18 MCU and the KFlop, so both can "read" the MPG (though the firmware does not currently make use of this ability).
>
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> > > >
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> > > > The firmware I implemented uses one rotary switch as a mode select, the other as an axis or function select (depending on the current mode switch position) and the momentary push-button, I call it the "Action" button, understands a number of "gestures":
>
> >
>
> > > >
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> >
>
> > > > Release
>
> >
>
> > > > Click and Hold
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> > > > Double-click
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> > > > Double-click and Hold
>
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> > > > This allowed me to implement all of the below functionality, with on-LCD prompts to show what functions are available within each mode/function switch setting:
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Step/Vel Jog Mode:
>
> >
>
> > > > Axis rotary switch selects any axis, X-Z, A-C
>
> >
>
> > > > Click and Hold does "velocity" jog
>
> >
>
> > > > Double-Click and Hold does step jog in 0.001" increments
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > > > Continuous Jog Mode:
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> >
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> > > > Axis rotary switch selects any axis, X-Z, A-C
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> >
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> > > > Double-Click resets continuous job speed to default (15%)
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> >
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> > > > Click and Hold does continuous speed jog
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> > > > Double-Click and Hold sets continuous jog speed
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> >
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> > > >
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> > > > Program Run Mode:
>
> >
>
> > > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
>
> >
>
> > > > Double-Click performs the followings functions when selected:
>
> >
>
> > > > Program Run
>
> >
>
> > > > Program Pause (FeedHold)
>
> >
>
> > > > Program Stop (Abort)
>
> >
>
> > > > Program Step (Single Block)
>
> >
>
> > > > Program Rewind
>
> >
>
> > > > Tool Length Comp On/Off
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Spindle/Coolant Control Mode:
>
> >
>
> > > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
>
> >
>
> > > > Double-Click performs the following functions when selected:
>
> >
>
> > > > Spindle CW Off
>
> >
>
> > > > Spindle CCW Off
>
> >
>
> > > > Mist Coolant Off
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> >
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> > > > Flood Coolant Off
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> >
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> > > > Double-Click and Hold performs the following functions when selected:
>
> >
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> > > > Spindle CW On
>
> >
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> > > > Spindle CCW On
>
> >
>
> > > > Mist Coolant On
>
> >
>
> > > > Flood Coolant On
>
> >
>
> > > > Click and Hold along with MPG performs the following functions:
>
> >
>
> > > > SSO
>
> >
>
> > > > FRO
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Home/Probe Mode:
>
> >
>
> > > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
>
> >
>
> > > > Double-Click performs the following functions when selected:
>
> >
>
> > > > Probe X+
>
> >
>
> > > > Probe Y+
>
> >
>
> > > > Probe A+
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> >
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> > > > Home X
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> > > > Home Y
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> > > > Home Z
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> > > > Double-Click and Hold performs the following functions when selected:
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> > > > Probe X-
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> > > > Probe Y-
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> > > > Probe Z-
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> > > > Home A
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> >
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> > > > Home B
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> >
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> > > > Home C
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> > > >
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> > > > PDB/ATC Mode:
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> > > > Axis Select rotary switch select one of below functions
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> > > > Double-Click performs the following functions when selected:
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> > > > PDB Grab TTS Tool
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> > > > PDB Grab R8 Tool
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> > > > ATC Raise Carousel
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> > > > ATC Pivot To Park
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> > > > ATC Return To Park And Raise Carousel
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> > > > ATC Reset
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> > > > Double-Click and hold performs the following functions when selected:
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> > > > PDB Release TTS Tool
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> > > > PDB Release R8 Tool
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> > > > ATC Lower Carousel
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> > > > ATC Pivot To Quill
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> > > > ATC Move To Quill And Lower Carousel
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> > > > ATC Home Carousel
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> > > > Much of this functionality has been in the pendant since I first built it last spring, and it has performed flawlessly for all that time. It's become really indispensible for operating the machine - I rarely need to use the on-screen controls when setting up and running jobs. Having the LCD on the pendant has allowed me add a number of new functions (like the ATC controls), and will finally make the pendant easier to operate, as I no longer have to remember which function is where - the LCD will show me! My next pendant will have a larger display!
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> > > > Regards,
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> > > > Ray L.
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| Group: DynoMotion |
Message: 15206 |
From: geast1967 |
Date: 12/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: The KFlop Pendant From Heck.... |
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I know its a long time, now but is there any change to send more info for this pendand, in order to build one my self?
Regards.
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